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  • 1

I prefer to see Lorena solo in films . Of course , being an ardent fan I have watched some of her films with other women and they are okay . But to me, the other women are distractions because Lorena is the fascination . There must be a lot of industry pressure for her to do this sort of film. Glad she has mostly turned down these roles . Actually , I have wondered why she has not jumped into "mainstream" films , drama , action, historical, suspense, sci-fi , etc. I would love to see her going in that direction. She would be an even more celebrated international superstar! Her beauty is phenomenal, extraordinary , and unique . Her star is still rising .

  • 1

Flawless beauties, restrictions made it teasing and arousing.

  • 1

Surprising to find Iwia A in this kind of formula movie. Why have Lorena at all? And the pull out at the end is just well... just like every other porn movie always ends. This could have been great, but it missed its target.

  • 1

Beautiful cock, a squiter.

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WTF? No cock inside lorena?? noooooooo

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Ha! Takes Greg FOREVER to figure out the girls are done with him,Wouldn't happen if somebody had a feeldoe.

  • 8

I am going to be brief and just say this movie was fan-fucking-tastic. Lesbian/bi it's Lorena's decision whether she wants a cock inside of her or not....respect her for her decision. The music for this film is phenomenal, you should go watch the Breathe video. Was it coincidental or was it chosen for this movie for a reason. Spectacular Lorena and Iwia. Don this film is one of the best I have seen here at Sexart!

  • 2

there's a lovely tension in how close to the B/G action Lorena is that makes this film even sexier... watching it again, i rerated from 8 to 10.

wonderful!

  • 0

So much commentairies!! Indeed this movie is very arousing, because it shows the feeling of bodies, not only the fuctions of private parts!

  • 0

Must watch this again after the resurgent posts.
I think all we regulars (including Hayley at the time) really quite liked this film [ ;-) }. And then Lorena appeared in the conversation and we (or some of us) went a bit crazy!
Is it about to start again?

  • 0

Hi Lorena,
Wonderful movie....
Do you really get orgasm and come in the action or you are only acting..???
It is interesting to understand...hence a reply form you is expected Lorena..
Anyhow, it was mind boggling

Thanks
Mathews


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Dear Mathew,
Thank you and the rest for commenting.
To be honest with you, some directors ask the same question. To you, to them my answer is this: a secret
kept to myself...
I can only let you know about this situation during the scene:
Sometimes, a real orgasm infront of the camera might look fake (although it was real). Not all women scream, not all women are loud or shake strongly
in 'real life'. If the women model has a real one, many directors might repeat that scene until it looks 'real' for the crew.
And the same happens otherwise.
In my opinion If you have trust in the director, if you feel comfortable, you can have it. If non of those things happen, director
will show the orgasm by directing and repeating scenes.
My best wishes for you and the members reading.
Lorena

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Lorena,
Thanks for taking the time to comment. There are some of us who are not looking for a "When Harry Met Sally" moment and understand that real orgasm in women typically appears much different than does its theatrical presentation. The indications of orgasm, however, are readily apparent if the filming is direct. Variability in women's orgasms is the 9th wonder of the world. I love to see it and find it the most erotic aspect of women. I am tired, however, of theatrical orgasms and find them false and annoying. When something over 50% of women fake orgasm in real life, seeing fake orgasms in movies becomes a reminder of an awkward and difficult time that many males face in real life.

Sifaka

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I'd prefer if girls that don't want to peform B/G on video shouldn't tease us with the assumption of them doing B/G. When I first saw the cover I was like: Damn, this beauty Lorena is finally having sex on video for us to enjoy... but nope! So please unless you don't want to do B/G then please don't ruin scenes like this one. Thanks!

  • 0

Will it be the CLOSEST to a real B/G fucking we will ever see Lorenita?
I wish I'm wrong! Lorena: You have to do a remake of this video and switch roles with Iwia.... For instance, Why not "'DARE II, The Revenge"? Iwia takes her own boyfriend to the apartment she shares with Lorena where she sleeps totally naked lying on the bed...
If you are purely lesbian, I respect that. Let them choose different female models then. If you have your own male couple and you want to fuck only him, I understand you too. Why not inviting him to play the male role in the movie??
I want to stress you are spectacular, alluring, awsome! Just have no adjectives to depict you! I accept if you simply won't ever fuck a man in camera for whatever reason. Just let me tell you what a sorrow it would be!

  • -1

A wonderful movie. Iwia is among the most beautiful performers appearing today; she never fails to be exciting. But Lorena is a true star. Except for Malena Morgan I can think of no one else who can so dominate a scene. I cannot take my eyes from Lorena and once the film ends she is a continuing presence in my memory. I look forward to seeing every video that she has ever made or ever will make and to seeing that beautiful face appear between the legs of desirable women.

  • 0

I didn't know Lorena herself had participated in the very team of this movie not om¿nly as an actress but also as scenes editor...
Dear Lorena, if you everread this, the movie and edition is GREAT, even not everybody thinks so. Congratulations... but I keep thinking you should have let Greg penétrate you!
Well, I have a great respect to human being's personal decisions and you're not an exception... you must have your good reasons for not crossing that border... but if you ask my opinión about an ADULT MOVIE (not porno), I keep my bet: YOU SHOULD HAVE DONE IT... or as, you should have got another model... Why? Because if a girl takes her boyfriend to lie with a girl friend of hers and in front of her, first of all, that girl isn't lesbian; at least, bisexual (if she had, she wouldn't have had a boyfriend: Obviously!). I keep talking not about you, Lorena, but about the character you performed.
Well, secondly, as they use to say in your land "De todo hay en la villa del Señor"... Well could have happened that very rare situation in which (by whatever reason), the girl you performed didn't fuck her boyfriend and lost a GREAT opportunity of intense pleasure! I can´t imagine no usual reason for that, but, let's suppose there was one. But don't forget the effects it may have on your viewers; Particularily me:
I have been a GREAT fan of you and I kept inside the secret desire of seeing you fucking some guy like me some day (believe me, I wish it was myself: you're ADORABLE, any man's dream)... I leave my heart on this message, baby...
Suddendly you appear in the casting with Iwia (another GREAT starlet) and A MAN! Gosh! It was Paradise! I love BGG threesomes; in fact, that is my personal way to fuck whenever I can. Think that the chemistry between two girls fucking the same man has no paralell in sex life. Neither orgies nor foursomes, swinging couples, etc. The intimacy of those three people, the imbakance caused by two receptives plus an insertive creates such wormth that satisfies wathever sexual anxiety...
I really leaped of joy, dear Lorena... And you didn't fuch him! What a disapointment! LOL!
As we use to say in my own land: "¡me tiraste el avión abajo caura!" (LOL again)... or: "fue un balde de agua fría" (a bucket of icy wáter, for our English spoken friends...). Somehow it hurted me! And as I read, It did many other guys!
Dear Lorena; you really turn me on! You don't know what I'd do to be with U some day! But, at least, I sincerely hope to see you fucking a guy an enjoying it, some day. ¡Dios quieeeeeraaaaaa!
PAUL.-

  • 0

I wonder why Lorena has never been penetrated in camera... There are few girls in adult movies matching her in that kind of ability to turn on men. If she is purely lesbian, she doesn´t look that way kissing Greg, instead she looks and feels kind of hungry for him (unless my horny-woman radar is failing); but she didn't kiss his sex neither let him penetrate her... WHY??
She left me real hungry after seeing this video. When I saw it was she who performed a FFM threesome with Iwia and Greg I fet it was a dream come true. Really! But at the end, only Iwia showed the face. It's a kind of nstalgic dissapointment, of a rare mixture of glory and sorrow... Would it be possible to convince her PLEASE (even if it was just the tippy tip?
Apart from this sort of "penisphobia", Lorena is fan-tas-tic! She warmed me up imensely; especially knowing who was her female counterpart, another HOT, HOT lady... but just until the moment that never came...
About Iwia, well. The only adjective that comes to my mind about her performance is "superb". She is one of the hottest girls today in adult movies who turns me on just seeing her name. I haven't seen any disappointing film of hers. On the contrary, she always leaves me thoroughly satisfied. Looks as if this lady had the rare gift of turning everything she touches in solid gold. My congratulations to both ladies and all the staff for this film. I sincerely hope that on next Lorena's threesome she accepts being normally and joyfully penetrated. a groan of ejaculation will spread all over the male world!

  • 0

This is a very hot video. And Greg Baldwin is a keeper. He looks like a clean-cut boy next door unlike many of the male models who look too rough around the edges for my taste. I do not normally get into 3-ways, but this one got my juices flowing.

  • -1

What a fantastic music tune! It perfectly fits to the scenes featured as the intro.
Unfortunately I have to criticize the female cast. Don't worry, both Lorena and Iwia are performing good! But: They look too similar in my opinion. They are brunette, they seem to have the same age, even the breasts are seeming to be the same ones.
Furthermore the location for this movie isn't really unusual.
I am really sorry to say that, but all in all, "Dare" is just common.

  • -1

Jonathan
Lorena's reply to me - see below - suggests that more models would join the discussions 'if they have a pass'. Can you make that happen?

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Hello Snowfall-- Yes, I will make this happen when possible-- promise!

  • 0

I loved this video. In fact, it's my favorite three-some since "The Cove". I thought the B/G/G worked really well here, and Iwia as the roommate really turned me on, not to mention seeing her make out with Lorena! I enjoyed the music a lot too (was reminiscent of something from the "Pure Moods" series released years ago) and I loved the passion both girls put into the love-making (especially from Iwia when she was sucking off Greg). Aside from the "jumpiness"/rough cuts aforementioned, I'd have to say this is definitely one of my favorites!

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Kardeş pornonuz muhtazammış. Tebrik ederim beni tatmin ettiniz.

  • 8

It appears I'm less enthusiastic about this video than many are around here (I can already feel the "thumbs down" votes smiting me!). I think it's a good, solid video, a 7/10 for me, but there are two things that bother me here.

My first problem is the "jumpiness" hayley mentioned. I think jump cuts can be used in interesting, artistic ways (eg, Godard's early work), but they didn't seem to fit very well here at all stylistically. It seemed more like a "mistake" happened and Don/Lorena (Lorena's an editor?) had to make a very rough cut. This is most annoying on the soundtrack, where one "lovemaking" sound just cuts straight into a different sound or silence; but even noticing the performers in different positions suddenly was a bit awkward. It lacks rhythm, and sex is all about rhythm!

My second problem is that whenever there are girls like Lorena that won't do B/G, yet they appear in a B/G/G, it's distracting to me because I'm constantly reminded of the artificiality, that she's there just to add an extra appeal. I feel like this video would've been better with just Iwia and Greg (there go the "thumbs down" votes!) or Lorena and Iwia. It feels like two different videos stitched together. It's even stranger that Greg just leaves/disappears when he finishes. I mean, I can understand the concept of a girlfriend "daring" her boyfriend to make love to another woman while she's there, but to never make love to her too seems strange.

All that said, I think the actual sex, performances and production values (excepting the jump cuts) were exemplary. I am not as big a fan of Lorena as some around here (more "thumbs down" votes! Just remember: If you vote me down I will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine!), so perhaps I have less of a tendency to automatically rate her videos as 10s (I'm more likely to do that with Eufrat or Ariel; just personal tastes!). Not that I'm saying her fans shouldn't do that, but is nobody else bothered by the things I pointed out? Oh, well, vote me down and get it over with; I can take it!

  • 14

Good evening,
First hank you to the members that shared their opinion about this movie.
Each one with different preferences, and that keep things moving...
I do understand your point of view Solrage.
Yes, I made editing in this movie.
I remember the day we were rolling it. Many factors made the editing of it extremely complicated to make it (as you mentioned) fluent or with a natural rhythm. I felt I could not make it better in the editing regarding my knowledge (very little one) and the full material we had from the experience of making it.
At the same time I could see the missing parts that could have make it a nicer movie.
Sometimes its all or much about the connection between the ones in front of the camera, others, it depends about the technical process of making it… and many times its about having your day fluent or less fluent than expected. ( I am sure many can understand this part to).
Its so good when all those factors come together!
We work and learn from each experience to show a nicer interaction.
This was a first experience for the camera team, me on making such a movie. Its easy to see.
I am glad a few ones really liked it, that was our intention and propose.
Muchas gracias for all your opinions.
My best wishes,
Lorena

  • -1

Hi Lorena,
I joined SexArt to view your gg scenes. My favourites are The Spanish Lesson and Be Mine. Thank you for replying to the comments from your fans. Is there any chance that we will see you in a bedroom scene, in a bed, with another woman in the near future?
Best wishes and respect,
Romantic

  • 0

I echo the comments of those here, Lorena. I think you did a great job on the editing. I had no problem following the flow of the movie. However, there's always more to learn and I'm sure you will gain more experience with time and practice.

If it's not too impertinent to ask, do you have a plan to progress onto more B/G type videos, or was this your only foray into such material? Hope that question does not offend, that is definitely not my intention.

  • 4

Dear JohnC3000,
Thank you very much for your comment and question.
The maximum level working with mans is shown in this movie.
To make a set of photos with a man in a erotic and artistic way can be possible, in that case
has to be with the right one, someone I trust.
At the same time, this choice depends not only from me but from what
Sexart wish to show and what the members want.
I understand some or most members want to see real sex in a couples for photos and movies, I don't do that level.
If this movie was good for most, the chance to do a similar one was possible.
Thank you once again, I hope I answer clear your question.
Un saludo,
Lorena

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Thank you Lorena for being so gracious..

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Dear Lorena

Please continue to appear in front of the camera (still or video) doing whatever you feel comfortable with...

You are beautiful and always seem to be happy... and now you talk to us!

That is why we all love you!

S xxx

  • 3

Yes.
But stay with the solos or G/G shoots if you are most comfortable doing that. And THAT would be wonderful.
I would love to see you and Iwia in a simple G/G film together.

  • -1

It's lovely to hear from you, Lorena, and always nice to get more information about what happens on-set and behind the scenes. While I've never directed/edited a film myself, I know many who have and have listened many pros talk about the process so I know a little about how difficult/complicated the process can be, especially when there's an element of improvisation and performance as opposed to just "actors hitting a mark, saying this, looking there" like in a Hitchcock film. Most don't have the luxury of being able to "edit in the head" and then just film everything exactly as they want to. So one is always limited to an extent by the material they get during the shoot, and sometimes the puzzle pieces just won't fit together perfectly. Oh well, you live, learn, get better, and move on. Ideally, artists are always moving towards perfecting their art, not arriving at perfection (and that IS something I know about!)

One good thing, though, about working the short film format is that there's not as much pressure to make every work perfect. I said this to Jonathan in a previous video, but it's fun to watch filmmakers and performers develop over time in front of us while having the freedom to experiment stylistically and conceptually and in performance. When you're making billion dollar blockbusters you lose much of that artistic freedom, so there should be no shame in failing. I (try to) write poetry, and one of my favorte quotes ever on artistic ambition was from John Keats who said: "I was never afraid of failure; for I would sooner fail than not be among the greatest." So no worries on this film's "failures," since it's merely a step towards being among the greatest. :)

  • 3

Dear solrage,
I am sure many from you know about the process you mention and that is why some can be good critics in here.
I also can understand that to write about that process from behind the scenes might be less important for others. What counts at the end is what you see as the final result and the feeling of liking it or not.
In this movie new things happened behind the scenes.
New camera equipment never used before, new parters to work in front and behind the camera, new experience for me working on 3 and with a man. Iwia and Greg where the ones with experience on rolling this kind of experience before, therefore to work with them was more easy and calm and made the experience more worth it.
We all where feeling comfortable together, at the same time, a little nerves in between.
Thank you all once again for the kind words and points of views.
Best regards,
Lorena

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Lorena
I just wrote that we seldom hear from the performers these days. And then there is your message. It is interesting to read your take on editing incomplete material, but I think (see one of my original posts) that there were also some great editorial moments.
But mainly, I loved seeing the three of you together in front of the camera - with some exquisite moments between you and Iwia, and between you and Greg.
Thank you ...

  • 1

Dear Snowfall,
If members have any question, I am glad to reply. I think other models if had a pass
will do so to.
I think the constructive critics are welcome from you members as you see it
from a new and different perspective.
Thank you for letting us know the good parts from the movies as well the ones that can be more improved.
Best wishes,
Lorena

  • -1

I think the things you found strange were behind my 'magic realism' comment ...

  • 0

I definitely agree with you regarding the artificiality of a non b/g performer in a b/g/g piece, I end up thinking about contractual obligations rather than the matter at hand, but at least Lorena does interact with Greg.

  • 0

I agree. That was my feeling about the narrative, too. But story aside, the "action" was pretty good.

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I really love this comment solrage.

  • 6

Excellent posts everyone. I'm enjoying the healthy, respectful debate/comments from all our members, good stuff! Remember, if you ever need anything, let me know. You can always hit me up at jon@metart.com.

  • 4

Greg must have thought he'd woken up in heaven: led (?dragged) upstairs by an increasingly ardent and naked Lorena and then offered and taken over by the equally passionate and totally naked Iwia ... while Lorena is all over both of them and as cheerful as ever.
Does this count as magic realism?
Loved it from beginning to end - with one or two brilliant bits of editing. Thank you all.

  • 2

awesome, next threesome put the cock in Lorena.

  • 0

Ditto! When I saw Lorena going at it in the stairway I thought "Yes! this is it. Gonna see Lorena get some." Oh well, still a great scene. I love anything with Lorena. She is so hot.

  • 6

Ok. Now I stand by everything I have previously said. But I will put it aside for this review, for the purpose of provided feedback to Don.

Don. This is a fantastic film, and the premise of it is fantastic, two lesbian lovers who try something with a man. This was a definite upgrade from your previous effort ‘Purple Touch’ in my opinion. Almost everything I had critiqued on that film has been ‘fixed’ for this one. However, I still don’t much like the ‘jumpiness’ between what is happening. I much prefer everything to flow together nicely. For example, when and how did Lorena get to the position above Greg? I’d love for you to try and perfect that for your next film, if it’s possible. Other than that however, everything was very, very beautiful. You directed your performers superbly, because the acting out of this idea was utterly superb, especially from Lorena. She really does embody what I believe SexArt is all about. I think this is a truly fantastic film, and I can’t wait to see your next effort.

  • 4

Thanks to everyone, especially Dove for your feedback. They are all excellent, well-explained opinions, and I just want to say thank you for not attacking and criticising me… Because I was really scared of that. I know I received more thumbs down than thumbs up, I assume that’s simply because you want Lorena in a b/g film, rather than because you disagree with the morals of my argument. As long as that’s the case, I’m kind of ok with it, because otherwise… It’s a bit dodgy, especially if you disagree with the morals.

Dove. I understand what you mean completely, when you say you can’t see the difference between a model doing g/g and b/g and the morality surrounding it. Malena was the example I used to try and convey this point. Another example I could use would be the relationship between Andrej and Ariel. Obviously Andrej is ok with Ariel shooting with female performers, and based on the fact that she has not performed in a b/g film, he is not ok with her shooting with another male performer. Do you kind of see where I’m coming from on this one? And also, when most girls come into the ‘industry’ they will begin their work with other women, despite being ‘straight’ themselves. Lorena is included in this. Why do you think this is? Again, can you kind of see where I’m coming from?

Now I’m very sorry if what I wrote came across as girls not having integrity… Again it’s an opinion, and it doesn’t just relate to girls, men too. For me, I think regardless of whether a person is in the industry; the idea of ‘sleeping around’ still applies. I would just like to see performers participate with a select few others, who they actually have a connection with, repeatedly; as opposed to working with ten’s of others because the opportunity for higher income is there. I know it’s the job, but that’s just my opinion.

Now in regards to your last couple of sentences, I completely agree. And whilst I don’t want to see Lorena participate in b/g (I really hope she doesn’t), I know that I’d have to understand and respect that decision, and ultimately be ok with it. She is certainly free to do whatever she damn well pleases, without me or anyone else telling her otherwise. I just hope and pray that if it does happen, it is with someone really special. Jasmine did this (whilst having a boyfriend I might add), and despite my unrest about it, I’ve convinced myself to be ok with it because she made this comment:
Jasmine W.: I’m very excited that everyone loves this video so much! As a solo and girl/girl model, I hadn’t really thought about doing any boy/girl videos… But after working with Bo and the SexArt team for awhile and seeing the amazing pieces of Art they make, the thought started crossing my mind. But I didn’t want to do a scene with just anyone. I wanted there to be genuine chemistry with the person. And then I met Logan. We became friends and the sexual chemistry was amazing. It was about then that I decided that something like this should be shared with the world, and who better to show that genuine chemistry than SexArt? There is nothing fake about this scene. I actually did forget the cameras were there most of the time. Thanks to Bo, the SexArt crew and of course, Logan, for making my “first” so great!
Now whilst this goes against all the morals I spoke about above, I somehow managed to convince myself it was ok because it was with someone special. And the fact they worked together again after that, was something I whole-heartedly agreed with considering. That way her poor boyfriend wasn’t forced to be ok with sharing her with heaps of other guys. This was later tarnished however when she worked with William Corazon, but anyway…

Look, by now I think I’ve made myself pretty clear and I know the members have heard me, and I’m sure SexArt has too. So, I’ll leave everyone be, and apologise if put anyone offside with this whole ‘thing’. Thanks for listening and thanks for the feedback.

  • -3

Hayley13: I want to say this gently, and with kindness and respect, but it seems as though you may have actually fallen a little in love with Lorena, and some part of you is projecting onto her film characters the feelings you would have if she were your actual lover. When we care deeply for the characters of ANY film (or book) it is certainly possible to transfer our own emotions into the narrative of that character. In a couple of instances here at SexArt I, too, have found at the conclusion of a film a lump in my throat and an ache in my chest. Or a cry of joy! I like to feel that when that happens it is, among other things, the mark of excellence of an extraordinary work! And this is what makes art - we care and we feel about who and what we have been part of.

  • 3

horsemaster I understand where you are coming from, but that's not the case at all. It's more a case of morals for me. And I understand that my morals are different to others, and that's not to say my morals are better than anyone else's, just that they're different. And that's ok. And you will notice that I said I wasn't just referring to Lorena, but all performers (women and men included). Ultimately I just want the 'best' for the people on here... but of course, that's only my opinion of what is 'best'.

And Dove, sorry if i'm projecting my idea. I know everyone is entitled to their own opinion and feelings and so on. It's just that I felt passionately about the topic, and that kinda affected the way I went about things. I know my ideal relationship isn't always going to be another's. That's why we spend so long searching for 'the one' after all.

Thanks again guys. I hope my arguments haven't tarnished your view of me or anything like that...

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Not at all tarnished. Your kindness, concern for the feelings of others (us watchers and the performers) continue to shine brightly.
We seldom get comments from the performers these days, so we'll probably never know about their motives, off-screen relationships, reactions to our various speculations. And I have never really wanted to appreciate art through the creator/performer's biography (let alone their psychology). I hope to enjoy what I see/hear, and give due credit or criticism without too many other reference points than the immediate experience.

  • -1

No "tarnish" whatsoever. Ever.

That's OK... Group hug :) ... I do think you are projecting your idea of a perfect relationship onto other people though. We don't know why Ariel doesn't do b/g (she did some early in her career), it may be nothing to do with Andrej. We also don't know the, er, "relationship status" of the others. Everyone, not just models, can work out great relationships which aren't exclusive. Our personal limits are that, whatever we do, we do together, but we have often involved other people and it has no effect on our love for each other (if that's too much detail, sorry!).

Often girls start off doing g/g and then move on to b/g as, inevitably, it is seen as "going further". There is also the practical point that b/g has to be more actively sexual in order for the male to perform, where g/g can be purely posing - it makes an easier start. I'm not sure it would effect many relationships - a guy who is uncomfortable with his girlfriend performing on a set with a male is unlikely to be comfortable with her performing with a girl (or being solo) either, I would think.

Anyway, as long as none of the performers on this site are pushed into anything they don't want to do, and as long as it all looks good, we'll be happy! Dove.

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One of my favorite movies....please more like this. Lorena has always been a favorite. Unlike some other I was hoping (wishing) to see her engage more than just kissing in the b/g stuff. But give her credit she was hot in this scene. Iwia is a doll. I want more like this.

  • 6

I really enjoyed this movie, Lorena and Iwia are both gorgeous. I had guessed at the nature of Lorena's participation when I saw that Iwia, an experienced b/g performer was in the set, what impressed me though was the three way interaction, usually in a b/g/g when one of the girls doesn't get fucked she has little to no interaction with the guy, whereas in this piece Lorena is all over Greg, well nearly all over!. I would have loved to see this as a full on threesome, even though that might have displeased some I for one would have been ecstatic, I hope a b/g outing for Lorena is in the works.

Lorena's legs in those heels and that leather skirt are absolutely amazing by the way.

  • 4

First, I want to say 'Thank You' to SA for making this beautiful movie. I'm hesitate to even call it porn. It's almost magical in its beauty. It's always great to see the beautiful Iwia but no offense to Iwia, Lorena is what makes this movie so special. She comes across so natural and playful. She should be proud of this piece of erotic art. And I do mean ART!

Secondly, I want to thank Hayley13 for such a well thought out and thorough response. I understand and agree with most of what you wrote with one exception. Even if Lorena was in a loving relationship with some lucky guy, and I hope she is, I would not consider her actions in this video tantamount to cheating on that lucky guy. While there was plenty of touching and kissing, for the most part her interaction with her male co-star really wasn't that much different than a thousand different hot scenes done by Hollywood celebrities, including some Academy Award winners. So were they cheating, too?

And it's really not that hard to believe that such a beautiful and charming young woman like Lorena may be without a significant other. Sure, half the planet would love to date her. But the curse of being so beautiful is that so many guys aren't interested in what's in her heart and mind, only her pants. Sorry to be so crude but that's how we guys tend to be. We always seem to put the most important things last when it comes to finding a mate.

Call me a romantic but if Lorena was deeply in love with someone, I seriously doubt she would have made this movie. But is she is and her partner is Ok with it, then they should both consider themselves luck.

JB

  • 9

While I understand and respect the views of those who are not fans of this particular video (for whatever reasons), personally speaking, I really liked it. Again, I understand why some do not want to see Lorena progress onto working with guys, but as far as I believe, as long as she is comfortable, why not?

Whether she is single or not, her engaging in acts with girls could still be considered "cheating" on a partner. What does it matter if a partner in these videos is male OR female? Besides, SA always tends to produce very artistic videos, not your typical tacky porn videos. The sex act (again, either with boys or girls) is a beautiful, natural, graceful thing, and I think this site tends to show that. I have no doubt should Lorena choose to do a video like that, it will be amazing. There is something very erotic about her not suddenly jumping into a full b/g video, but slowly working up to it.

  • 13

Ultra hot video by all three models, very sensual, very passionate!

All this back and forth about Lorena; will she, won't she, hope she does, hope she doesn't, arguing the morality..... For me, I'm just grateful this stunningly beautiful, sensual, intelligent woman is willing to share this aspect of herself with us.

Bravo Lorena and thank you!

  • 0

Thank you jazzlove for your text. Much appreciated. Glad to share here this experience and also glad your liked it. My best wishes!
Un saludo,
Lorena

  • -6

Interesting comments. I would prefer Sex-Art stay to girls and girls only, but I know they won't, which is why I won't be renewing my subscription as much as I will miss seeing the ladies.

  • -3

The end was the Best.Lorena with woman only.

  • -1

Not quite sure how to take this one... I will watch this. But, hmm... I just don't know. Personally, I don't want to see Lorena ever do hardcore, and if she does, only ever with one special person. As I said, i'll watch, but i'm just not sure...

  • -3

Ok, to clear up what I’ve voiced above, I’ve composed the following. I understand that is highly opinionated and even controversial. Please remember that it is an opinion among many other opinions (that may or may not be made, as a result). I just ask please, to not attack and criticise me for voicing that opinion. Also please note that I may mention Lorena, but she is just the example being used (given her role in this film). This is more a generalisation referring to all women (and men to a degree for that matter) in this ‘industry’.

The reason I am hesitant towards this film, and the reason I don’t want to see Lorena in a hardcore photoset/film (and in fact one of the reasons I only watch g/g films, with the exception of a few b/g films) is because… In her personal life, I have no doubt that Lorena is ‘straight’. Further, given her absolute pure, unrivalled beauty, it would probably be safe to assume that Lorena would be engaged in a meaningful relationship in her personal life. (If she isn’t, the men in her life must be pretty silly not to realise she is the ultimate ‘catch’). Therefore, for her partner, the idea of ‘sharing’ (cheating), is just… It’s rough. I would really feel for him, because engaging in intimate activities (holding hands, kissing, exploring each other bodies and explicitly engaging in sex) with another person, whilst in a meaningful relationship… It’s just unspeakable in my opinion.

To illustrate my point, let’s take Lorena’s co-star as an example. With a little research I am now aware that Iwia (Ivy) currently has a boyfriend by the name of Sebastian. The couple appears over at X-Art, if you would like to see the evidence. The male in this scene is not Sebastian. I really question how Sebastian must feel knowing another man has… you know. I know if I was in Sebastian’s position, it would be devastating, heart-breaking. Now some might argue professionalism, and exclaim that this is the ‘job’, but… Geez.

Now I also understand that some would argue because Lorena is still engaging and having sex with other people, those being female… My point is mute. But in my opinion, there is a difference. The difference being that Lorena is ‘straight’, therefore, her sex with women is ‘acted’. I urge male SexArt members to consider how they would feel if their loved one had sex with another man. I suppose it’s equally important to consider their loved one with another woman but. Personally, I think it would be easier for a guy to share his partner with another woman, than with another man. (A whole array of issues and ideas come from this statement, consider it on a personal level)

Now if Lorena is single, then I suppose all of the above becomes somewhat ‘irrelevant’ (searching for a less harsh word, but couldn’t think of one)… But I do want to bring up this point… Should a ‘single’ girl engage in sexual encounters with a variety of different men, what would society (and you for that matter) label her? (This applies equally to males). People don’t want that label. And despite the ‘industry’ being what it is, that label still applies within it, especially at a ‘beautiful’ site like SexArt (in my opinion). And personally, I have a bit of a problem with people who engage in this kind of frivolity anyway, because sex is supposed to be meaningful.

Now………. Ideally, I don’t want Lorena to engage in hardcore, and if I think I know her like I do, she won’t. However, if Lorena is to do hardcore scenes (I hope she doesn’t) at SexArt, I would only ever want to see her with one very, very special person (i.e. her boyfriend/fiancé/husband). And like I said, I’m not just talking about Lorena here, I’m talking about all girls in the ‘industry’.

This is in fact why I love and respect Malena Morgan so much. To date at SexArt, and all other sites she has worked with in fact, she has only engaged in g/g sex. Whilst she has featured in films with males, she has never had sex with them. To illustrate the point of this ‘essay’, the following are comments taken from the ‘comments section’ of the Malena Morgan film ‘Tantra’:
Simonas: WOW. The most amazing solo girl video. Fantastic. Malena M has a terrific body, very fit and clearly very sexy. Just a shame that Malena M doesn’t appear to want to do any full-on G/B videos. That I would like to see.
Malena Morgan: How is it shameful that I care too much about the most intimate part of myself that I refuse to share it with the masses? Answer me that!
Now I greatly respect Malena Morgan for doing this, immensely so in fact. I think it’s a representation of her integrity, respect and beauty. It demonstrates that she is only willing to engage in sex with other men if it’s meaningful, intimate, in her personal life, and if she deems them deserving. That’s something to be truly admired, both in and out of this ‘industry’.

So ultimately I guess… I suppose my point is… Despite the ‘industry’ being what it is… I still feel that models (female and male) working in it, and the different companies working within it, can still maintain their integrity, respect and beauty. This is why I’m a member at SexArt, because they do this better than anyone, despite some issues I have that relate to the above-mentioned material. But hey I do understand that it is the ‘industry’, and not all models will have that integrity, respect and beauty. I just hope and pray Lorena does.

(As a side note, I know me saying this will probably make you do it, but please, please, please do not track Alexis Brill outside of SexArt if you agree with what I’m saying. I did and I was utterly, utterly shocked and disappointed. I’m working on eliminating what I saw from my memory. Please, please, please heed my advice if agree with this post.)

Now… I reiterate what I said at the top. Please understand that this is an opinion among opinions, please don’t attack and criticise me for voicing it. Also, I will download the film overnight and watch it in the morning. I’ll approach it with an open mind and provide a review.

  • 0

hayley, I hesitated about leaping into this very interesting, thoughtful, provocative debate you sparked because there is so much I could say on the issue and there have already been many responses that covered many of the points. However, one thing I want to address is something that perhaps you haven't considered, that perhaps maybe, at the core of it all, your opinions and morality are actually founded on assumption that are immoral themselves. To illustrate this point, I want to tackle this comment of yours:

hayley: "Should a ‘single’ girl engage in sexual encounters with a variety of different men, what would society (and you for that matter) label her? (This applies equally to males). People don’t want that label... And personally, I have a bit of a problem with people who engage in this kind of frivolity anyway, because sex is supposed to be meaningful."

I assume the "label" you alluded to was "slut" or "whore" or some variation on that one. One thing to consider is the social/cultural and evolutionary sources of those terms. I don't know how well-read you are in feminism, but it's been argued since the 60s by feminist authors that western cultures have been historically patriarchal (ruled by men) and misogynistic (biased for the benefit of men/against women). One of the ways in which our western patriarchal/misogynistic societies have manifested itself is in the dominance of male idealizations of women, of men determining what women should/shouldn't be like. This has included things ranging from women shouldn't enjoy sex it all, to women shouldn't sleep with multiple men, etc., and if they do then they're "sluts" and "whores" and lesser human beings because of it. It's equally been pointed out that this same view, despite what you suggest, is not commonly applied to men. For a man to go out and sleep with many women is a sign of his manliness and virility, but for a woman to do it is somehow immoral. There's a double standard and always has been.

One of the reasons for the explosion of erotic entertainment and pornography, including sites like SA, is that the sexual/feminist revolution sought to even the playing field for men and women. This included things like workplace equality, but also cultural conceptions about women and sexuality. One has to consider that the entire concept of calling women "sluts" and "whores" for sleeping around is really more a comment about male sexual insecurity and unspoken assumption that women are "property" that men "own." In a patriarchal/misogynistic society, if a man sleeps with a woman he owns her, and if she sleeps with anyone else then the only way for him to maintain his ego is to lessen the woman's value by calling her slut/whore. This is a classic case of sour grapes and, what's more, the assumptions that underlie it (women are property, sleeping with a woman means a man owns her, her sleeping around means she's "damaged goods") is deeply immoral.

It seems to me that, for you, equality would be for both men and women to "not sleep around" because sex is a special thing and meant mostly/only for monogamous couples who are in love. I wouldn't call this equality "moral," but I would call it somewhat naive and unrealistic, given what we know of human sexuality and evolution. Evolution didn't really program us to be life-long monogamous creatures, especially men. Monogamy really comes from the benefit of offspring, ie, that a couple raising offspring increases the offspring's chances of survival as opposed to them being raised by a "single parent." That's what creates the impulse towards monogamy, but, at the same time, the urge to have sex with other partners doesn't evaporate, so people in relationships tend to get very possessive, jealous, and conflate sex with love and faithfulness and everything else.

Personally, I think open relationships are more ideal in that they seem to work WITH our evolutionary programming as opposed to against it. IE, it's possible to be with someone, to love them, to make love with them, to help them and be there for them without solely "possessing" that person. You say that the thought of of someone you love sleeping with someone else would be intolerable, but you have to understand that at the root of that thought is the assumption that you and you alone own another human being and have control over their sexuality. This is not a healthy or (IMO) very civilized or moral state of mind.

Also, while I understand the notion that sex is special and especially so when it comes from a place of love, I don't think this means that sex must be this mystical thing all the time, that it can't also be something that people do for fun as friends, or as strangers, or even as a job. There's nothing mutually exclusive about these things. EG, it would be like me saying that music is something special and that all music should be treated seriously... but then that wouldn't really make sense when it comes to, say, party music. It's OK to live in a world where we can have the serious music of Bach and the frivolous music of Lady Gaga and, similarly, it's OK to live in a world where sex can be a special experience shared between monogamous lovers AND a fun thing to do as a one night stand or in front of a camera for the enjoyment of others.

Hope this wasn't too long/rambling, but there are libraries worth of literature out there on this subject. I'd recommend doing some research into feminism and sexuality and the nature of innately misogynistic/patriarchal cultures.

  • 1

These are my morals, I stand by them. I'm sorry solrage but I can't agree with what you're saying. It may be a well-read argument, but it's still your subjective opinion.

  • -1

hayley, it entirely depends on what specifically you're talking about. I agree that how we think of sex (special VS casual) and our ideal relationships (open VS monogamous) are subjective. However, the things I wrote about how a patriarchal/misogynistic culture treats female sexuality is not subjective and is well-founded with copious amounts of research out there. It's important to understand why cultural norms, morals, values, etc. are how they are, and frequently those norms are not actually founded on morality, equality, and fairness when you analyze them. So while it's fair to say that certain things are subjective when it comes to our ideals, it's also important to distinguish between that subjectivity and the (often hidden) assumptions they're founded on. To go on unquestioning and clinging to old values can do direct, demonstrable harm to society. Just imagine what our culture would be like if people had never questioned racial or sexual norms; we'd still be living in a society where slavery was seen as perfectly moral (certainly those who engaged in it back then saw nothing wrong with the idea of "owning" another human being because of the color of their skin) and women were treated like property. I'm not saying your morals are that bad, but I do think some of your opinions are founded on cultural assumptions that aren't really moral at the root.

  • 0

Please stop accusing my morals. It is your subjective opinion that casual, 'open' relationships are ok, it is not mine, please stop trying to force it upon me. No matter how hard you try, I stand by what I believe in. Read the comment I posted here 2 days ago to horsemaster. It will explain all. Now this is not healthy for either of us, it's becoming an argument. Let's please stop it now.

  • -2

hayley, I think you're misunderstanding me; I did state that one's preference regarding casual/open relationships VS monogamous relationships WAS subjective and that it's absolutely fine to think either way as long as you're not sexist about it. All I was trying to state was that the problem is that we (historically) do not live in a society that views male and female sexuality equally. If you think it's wrong for both men and women to sleep around, have casual sex and open relationships, then that's fine and I can't say your morality is wrong, merely that I would disagree. I was merely trying to sketch some arguments for the other side as well as show why female sexuality hasn't really been treated with the same equality as male sexuality and trying to put these opinions in a broader social context was all. In one of your previous posts you seemed to be appealing to these cultural norms by saying "Should a ‘single’ girl engage in sexual encounters with a variety of different men, what would society... label her?," and perhaps my response could be boiled down to "why would society be right to do so?"

  • -1

Hayley
Before reading your plea, I had previously looked for Alexis Brill outside SA. I didn't find much, but enough to make me think there may be two performers using that name. One is cute and pretty and pretty inexperienced. The other none of those things ...

  • -1

Hey Snowfall, I am definitely talking about the one we see here at SexArt. And the work produced was very, very low quality hardcore, with performers I don't think Alexis would ever perform with of her own will, and if not for a huuuuuge pay check. I don't want to say too much more Snowfall, but if you kind of agreed with my comments regarding integrity, respect and beauty on this film... I reiterate, don't chase her up outside of SexArt, please.

  • -6

I pretty much agree. True, sex is beautiful and wonderful. The closest two people can be, and very special for those two. But I think public display trivializes them and the act, and hastens a corporate decent into coarseness. I’m not sure I can explain why this is, but it does seem to be the rule. I don’t want to see this happen for anyone, especially someone special as Lorena. Yes, it’s her career and her life. But I think in a sense we have all been given (humanity or whatever); and so in the same sense, we all owe (humanity or whatever).

  • 3

Two of my favorite Sexart girls - and so close to Lorena's first hardcore! Love it.

  • -1

Does 'hardcore' mean 'penetrated by a male'? Don't fingers and dildoes count?

Traditionally, no

  • -2

Not sure I agree. See comment by MonCapitan.

  • 1

How is this close to her first hardcore? She already achieved that when she started having sex with other girls for this site. She's already done hardcore. What she hasn't done, apparently, is a sex scene with a man.

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